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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by danskmacabre on September 18, 2013, 01:05:08 PM »
Yeah, though I don't like Wizards, and think that the direction that 4e took was bad, it's not an awful game, just very forgettable when there are so many good RPGs out there.

One of the confusing things was there's so many VERSIONS of 4th edition, It's quite strange.
If I didn't ask someone else about it who knew the ropes of 4th ed, I doubt I'd know what books to get even if I wanted to buy it.


   
Even pathfinder has its flaws; I actually feel that it's still too game-ist.

At first I didn't like all the feats in PF, but after I got used to it, it was ok and made sense, but at higher level it gets very unwieldy, there's like 100s of feats and some of them are just crap anyway, so someone with a good knowledge of the game can build a lot better character with the right combos of feats. Which kinda sucks, although you''ll never get a truly gimped character in PF.


I might download the final D&D next PDF if it does enough good things, but I'm really so poor that there are plenty of other RPGs calling out for my money.

yeah if the PDF is cost effective I'll probs grab that. I have an Android tablet and I use it for a lot for the free RPGs I've downloaded.
I suspect DnD next will require having to buy loads of books tho, at which point I won't bother with it.
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« Last post by danskmacabre on September 18, 2013, 12:49:40 PM »
Ah I know Hackmaster, not actually played it but took a look some years back. It looked quite fun.

BTW, Stars without number  has a free version of the rules, I believe the free rules don't include Robotics or AI, but  95% of the rules are there.
you can get it here:
http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/86467/Stars-Without-Number-Free-Edition
If you want to have a browse of the rules.
There's loads of other free material for it as well.

another interesting (but not free) D20 game is Numenara. I've not see or played it yet, but have read some reviews and it sounds very interesting.
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by HAILAK on September 18, 2013, 12:31:35 PM »
Yeah, though I don't like Wizards, and think that the direction that 4e took was bad, it's not an awful game, just very forgettable when there are so many good RPGs out there.

Even pathfinder has its flaws; I actually feel that it's still too game-ist. My current love is hackmaster. The basic rules are free
http://www.kenzerco.com/product_info.php?cPath=62_102&products_id=862

I agree with you about powers, healing surges, it being too much like a video game, and being better off buying the descent board game. I might download the final D&D next PDF if it does enough good things, but I'm really so poor that there are plenty of other RPGs calling out for my money.
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by danskmacabre on September 18, 2013, 01:50:50 AM »
DnD 4th Edition
I have played 4th Edition several times.
It wasn't really to my tastes, but a friend in my gaming group in Hampshire who I ran PF and other RPGs for wanted to run it for a bit, so I gave it a go.

I kept an open mind and played it for about 10 sessions, so I feel that's a pretty fair go.

My views on it:
I hated the idea of daily and encounter powers.  characters seem very forced into a small area of effectiveness.
I didn't like the healing surges. 
Tbh those features just made it feel like a video game.

The amount of various powers (which were pretty limited anyway) were a bit of a nightmare to keep track of as we went up levels and it didn't feel at all intuitive.
It was mitigated somewhat by the GM handing out powers cards that could be flipped over as you used them, which made it feel even more like a boardgame.
The characters themselves felt VERY combat orientated in fact the vast majority of the rules were about combat.

When I tried to get some roleplaying in and do something that diverged from the provided scenario I felt like I was breaking the flow of the game and no matter what I did, we just moved onto the next part of the scenario.
I just felt like no matter what we did or how we reacted we would go from one pre generated battle scene to the next.

There was this monthly subscription service too, which gives you electronic access to all the rules and a character generator.
I didn't subscribe to this, but the GM did and he managed our characters.
That was fine for me for limited sessions, but I would not buy into a subscription service just to play a tabletop RPG longterm.

All in all, it was OK I guess, but it's like they took an RPG, took the ROLEplaying out of it and made it an open-ended boardgame.

My honest opinion is if you want to play a game like 4th edition, you may as well buy the Descent boardgame, which comes with pre-generated scenarios, maps and LOADS of figures.
It's better value for money and only slightly more railroady than 4th Ed.

I reiterate this isn't a view I formed from reading  a review, it's from actual extended gameplay.


 
Pathfinder
As to PF, well I ran and played that for a couple of years. It was good fun, but it did get quite unwieldy from about 10th to 12th level and I didn't enjoy it so much from that point onwards.
I think I ran it until about 14th level, at which point I stopped running or playing it and ran Elric/MRQ2/Legend and other RPGs.
Still, I had 2 years of some fantastic gaming running and playing PF.
And I like the low to mid level gaming with it.


OSR
For me I'm more into OSR based Indie RPGs, they move really quick and very playable.
My current game of choice is "Stars without number" an OSR based Scifi game. Sort of feels like Traveller but with ODnD rules converted to Scifi .

I currently run SWN at a tabletop with a group at my place in Brisbane, but I also run it online here:
http://rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=56914&date=1379461751



Dnd Next
If I can buy just one book to get a feel for DnD next, I'll probably get it and have a read, more for Nostalgia than anything else.
Who knows, I might like it.
If it's just a copy of PF , perhaps with the rules cleaned up more, it might be a decent game, but I expect it will be structured in a way that you will need to buy lots of books to run it or play it
One of the big draws to PF for me was the core rules book had everything you needed to play the game and if you wanted to run it, then a bestiary as well and that's it.  Great value!






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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by HAILAK on September 17, 2013, 05:34:20 PM »
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by Rich on September 17, 2013, 05:26:03 PM »
I've had a look at D&D next, (you can download the playtest for free

Can you post a link to the playtest?
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by HAILAK on September 17, 2013, 05:17:54 PM »
I've had a look at D&D next, (you can download the playtest for free), and it seems to be a serious backpedaling on the movements done on 4th ed. There are no more "powers" or "tiers", DPS/Tank catagorization etc.

However, it just looks like an inferior clone of pathfinder at the moment.
A problem that the developers seem to have is that they don't know what was wrong with 4ed, or indeed what was wrong with 3ed.

4th ed is a reasonable board game, but a lacklustre, mediocre RPG; if wizards wanted to make D&D an accessable board game, then they pretty much succeeded.

However, the goal of Wizards has always been the money-grab. 4th ed was released in the hope of tapping the World of Warcraft fanbase, (look at how much money blizzard make), and now D&D next is going to copy pathfinder now that they have realised that 4th ed underperformed financially. This is a mistake, as those who liked 4th ed will not change to a totally different system, and those who like pathfinder are already sold on that.

The main problem seems to be that Wizards' main concern at every stage is cash, this should be obvious if you look at Magic The Gathering in the past decade.

The difference in attitude shows through in the finished product. For example, Paizo publish a lot of companions and modules, supporting DMs, whereas Wizards publish lots of Player's handbooks etc (PH2, PH3 etc) as there are more DMs than players, and is the reason why Wizards have mostly just reprinted old adventures rather than take risks. Conversely, Paizo have released very "out-there" supplements and modules (such as one where you travel to 1917 to kill Rasputin). In short, the simple quality of Paizo outstrips Wizards these days, to add another problem for them.

I'm sure some people will like D&D next, plenty of people liked 4th ed; but I'm sure that dissapointing sales will lead to Wizards doing another swerve, hell, there has already been talk of selling D&D altogether, as MTG makes a shedton more money per $ spent on it.

Paizo: "If we make a good game, people will buy it"
I've had a look at D&D next, (you can download the playtest for free), and it seems to be a serious backpedaling on the movements done on 4th ed. There are no more "powers" or "tiers", DPS/Tank catagorization etc.

However, it just looks like an inferior clone of pathfinder at the moment.
A problem that the developers seem to have is that they don't know what was wrong with 4ed, or indeed what was wrong with 3ed.

4th ed is a reasonable board game, but a lacklustre, mediocre RPG; if wizards wanted to make D&D an accessable board game, then they pretty much succeeded.

However, the goal of Wizards has always been the money-grab. 4th ed was released in the hope of tapping the World of Warcraft fanbase, (look at how much money blizzard make), and now D&D next is going to copy pathfinder now that they have realised that 4th ed underperformed financially. This is a mistake, as those who liked 4th ed will not change to a totally different system, and those who like pathfinder are already sold on that.

The main problem seems to be that Wizards' main concern at every stage is cash, this should be obvious if you look at Magic The Gathering in the past decade.

The difference in attitude shows through in the finished product. For example, Paizo publish a lot of companions and modules, supporting DMs, whereas Wizards publish lots of Player's handbooks etc (PH2, PH3 etc) as there are more DMs than players, and is the reason why Wizards have mostly just reprinted old adventures rather than take risks. Conversely, Paizo have released very "out-there" supplements and modules (such as one where you travel to 1917 to kill Rasputin). In short, the simple quality of Paizo outstrips Wizards these days, to add another problem for them.

I'm sure some people will like D&D next, plenty of people liked 4th ed; but I'm sure that dissapointing sales will lead to Wizards doing another swerve, hell, there has already been talk of selling D&D altogether, as MTG makes a shedton more money per $ spent on it.

Paizo: "If we make a good game, people will buy it"
Wizards: "We demand more money! Someone make a new edition!"
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Off Topic / DnD next?
« Last post by Rich on September 15, 2013, 08:48:37 PM »
Yep spoke to Alex and he said he "may" post something.

However, don't hold your breath, he will need to say many Hail Catweazles (and now Jo is back, seek his leave also), before doing something so heinous as chatting on an internet forum such as this.
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by danskmacabre on September 13, 2013, 02:06:49 PM »
Yeah , the bit you quoted is true, but the general review bit to me reads as a pisstake
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Off Topic / Re: dnD next?
« Last post by Rich on September 13, 2013, 12:29:33 PM »
Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition / D&D Next

In January 2012, Wizards of the Coast announced that the fifth major edition of the game, officially referred to as D&D Next, was under development.[30] In direct contrast to the previous editions of the game, D&D Next will be developed partly via a public open playtest.[31] An early build of the new edition debuted at the 2012 Dungeons & Dragons Experience event to about 500 fans.[32] Public playtesting began on May 24, 2012.[33] There is no scheduled date for the release of the new edition.


Well, above is what it says on WIKI. So who knows, couldn't find anything on WOC website and I thought there would be as they own the game. Will see Alex at next RM game next week so I will see if he can shed any more light on it. Alex has an account on this forum but his technophobia rivals Jo (almost), so I'd need to ring or speak to him.
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